Let it go, don't look back for a True Crime Conversation with Uncluttered & Unfiltered Eden & Christine

Hey, friend,

Thank you for joining me for Running Scared with Coach Christine. I'm a Level 2 RRCA and Galloway certified coach,  but more importantly, I'm someone that knows it's so much easier to get out for your run or walk when you have something to look forward to that helps with motivation.

And, looking forward is exactly what we will do with this incredible True Crime chat with the dynamic duo of Uncluttered & Unfiltered Podcast.

What happens when a professional organizer, broadcaster, and running coach gets together? We talk about True Crime!

Use this conversation for a light run, enjoy a cardio sesh, or just grab a glass of wine, find a comfy place on your sofa and come on in and sit with us for a spell.

Eden Kendall is a dynamic broadcaster known for her morning show and segments on some of your favorite television programs and an avid runner. 

Christine Stone is a professional organizer who can show you how to declutter your life so that you can make way for the things that matter in life, like listening to more podcasts.

In this conversation, you'll learn about the true crime cases we are obsessed with. Consider this your Golden Ticket friend because this episode gets you entry to one of the hottest tickets in town.... the Uncluttered & Unfiltered Ladies Over 40 Facebook group page.

Don't forget to subscribe to Uncluttered & Unfiltered so you can get your weekly episodes on all of the many ways to celebrate today by letting go and not looking back!

Oh and don't forget to check out the Saturday Night Live skit that Christine from U&U referenced in this episode. 

If you have any questions about running or want to chat about True Crime, please email me at christine@runwinefinishlines.com.

Please consult a physician before starting any new exercise routine.

Thank you for Running Scared with Coach Christine! 

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Transcript

Christine Hetzel: 0:02

Hey friends, welcome to running scared. I'm Coach Christine, a level two rrca and a run, walk run certified coach. And if you are like me, you enjoy your crime. You enjoy getting out for a run, walk or workout session. So welcome. You have found your corner of the internet, and we're likely going to be besties. Friends today is a super, super unique and I am so excited for this particular conversation. We're not going to have a structured workout. So hopefully you're moving your body, you're feeling good, you're getting a little bit of that glow those endorphins. You are however going to meet some incredible women that are surely going to be your besties as well. So on today's episode, you're going to get a chance to hear from Eden and Christine and if you're wondering, okay, that's your name. No another Christine. These two fabulous women are coming to us from uncluttered and unfiltered the podcast with their catchphrase a let it go and don't look back. That's the mantra that they share together. And Christina and Eden are, as they describe polar opposites. Christine just turned 60. She's a professional organizer, and she creates spaces that are streamlined and efficient. And guess what she loves to climb to. I mean, this girl knows her true crime stuff like I have her on speed dial for if and when anything goes down. She knows how to dispose of the body, I'm pretty sure about it. And then we've got Eaton who is absolutely just a bubbly, glowing, avid runner. So I know that you are going to enjoy this conversation, hopefully even just 1/10 As much as I did, then trust me, you're going to have a fabulous day because it was so much fun to get to sit down and talk to these incredible, incredible women. I am going to ask you to check them out. Check out uncluttered and unfiltered and join their facebook group page. They just lower the age limit 40 and above and you're more than welcome to go and join them. Great conversations. I think I was even able to learn that there's certain emojis that I've been using the art so yesterday to kids even say that anymore. Well, without further ado, my friends. Let's get right to it get moving and put that smile on your face. And then let's hear from Eden and Christine. Who it is a special Halloween bonus edition of either filter so excited. I know you die a happy moment actually could be your birthday edition.

Eden: 2:49

This is so exciting for me. So I have a couple of Christine's in my life. And I've got Christine stone neatly designed organizer. And then there's Christine coach Christine Hetzel, who has the most unique podcast I think very unique and what it is and you see her now There she is. Hello, my dear. Hello, Eden. Hello, Christine. Thank you guys so much for having me on. I have to be honest, as I was doing my makeup and listening to your recent episodes, like I'm doing it all wrong, clearly.

Christine Stone: 3:19

You know what? That's isn't that the beauty about podcasts? No. But let me give you a little bit of background on my end. And parts of this are most of this you're going to be able to hear on either of the two podcasts are uncluttered, and unfiltered. And I'm running scared. But let me give you a little bit of a background on how I know, Christine Hetzel. So there was an app called charge running, which was like the most fun thing ever, and there was a live coaching. And you would put on your earbuds and you'd go for a run and you would actually be live and there'd be a coach at a microphone probably looking kind of like the way I'm looking like Christine's looking right now. And she, by the way, I'm just I'm going to call you Chris Chris Stone, Christine stone. And you Christine, because otherwise I'm going to call you murder Chris.

Unknown: 4:03

Nate Christine, and I don't think that's good. So anyway, she would be the coach in my ear. And she's so uplifting in a beat and sparkly. But then she's got this dark side, right so she loves true crime. Oh, I heard her podcast i i loved it. So what she has now done is combined the running coaching with the true crime love it. So when you're out for a run, you get to hear these stories. And in the meantime, she'll be like, Alright, let's take it down to a walk.

Christine: 4:36

Session like well, and then they discovered a bunch of bodies now we're just gonna chill a little bit for a walk or bump up the pace. But yeah, it has definitely been in quite interesting in marriage of the two loves. There's no doubt on that. I myself listen to a lot of true crime when I got for rent, so it felt very natural progression for me. So I enjoy every aspect of spookiness and I assume, Chris You're not just a true crime fan, if you love Halloween, you're just a spooky fan all the way around.

Unknown: 5:05

I am a true crime fanatic. I mean, I can't tell you, my husband said this morning, you must be just giddy. I have watched every true time I videotaped Dateline, 48 hours and 2020. So I could skip through the commercials. And I am fascinated by the fascination of true crime. I mean, everybody is talking about the Dahmer documentary or, you know, made for Netflix show and the other one, the documentary. So I am fascinated by why people are so fascinated. And I've come to the conclusion, in my mind, it's because you never think this could happen to you. So you're kind of just looking through someone else's eyes or what's going on in someone else's life.

Christine: 5:58

So that's fascinating. Actually, there's a lot of research about it. Because as you mentioned, there's been a tons of emphasis on true crime from a specifically podcasting world specific. I mean, if you think back to what really propelled podcasting to what it is today, for me, it's hands down cereal, cereal, just kind of came onto the scene and just blew the lid off of investigative journalism, podcasting, it felt very intimate, and you kind of were taken on this journey the entire time that you absolutely loved. So from that, it's just grown and grown in this audio form, which I love. But the research indicates that women are the primary audience for true crime, by and large, and I don't know about you guys, but the fellows just don't get it. Like they just don't understand why we're so riveted by it.

Unknown: 6:46

My husband has walked in the room more times and said, How many of these can you watch where either he killed her or she killed him? How many times and I'm like, it's, it's to me, and I've heard this before on other podcasts. It's kind of relaxing. It's like I come home. And I hear you know, Keith Morrison, Josh Mankiewicz, whoever it is, and I'm like, and I literally, it puts me to sleep. And I've heard so many other women say the same thing. It's like a sedative. It's unbelievable.

Christine: 7:22

You're absolutely right. I can't tell you how often I will fall asleep when I'm researching my cases, just because it's it is very relaxing to me. So the research indicated. By the way, everyone, my friends, if you end up seeing this on the YouTube channel of unquote, uncluttered and unfiltered you'll get to see that even may not be quite as big of a fan as the Chris and Christie are here.

Unknown: 7:45

i Okay, so I'll be honest with you, the only true crime I listened to is running scared because I love you. And I love to hear your voice when I run. And so you could read me the phone book, and I'd be perfectly happy with it. But as far as No, it's not my way of relaxing and unwinding at all. In fact, this Chris my Chris just said to me, just in passing, why does everybody want to put any breeze in Gatorade? And I was like, What? No, I go, you know, everyone, it's undetectable. You can't taste it. She goes how do you know that? I go. I listen to all these shows. Did you know that Christine,

Christine: 8:23

I have come across that a little bit myself. But I think again, or Chris you you've got you may have the film but we're calling you girlfriend if we ever need to dispose a body because you seem to have a lot of information there.

Unknown: 8:37

And I'm married to a criminal defense lawyer and I'll say you know, with if you sprained lumenal it'll come up the blood will show it'll it'll be like lightning in a room and he's like, how did you know that? I'm like, kill him you will never you and have a lawyer. Right?

Christine: 8:55

I think you you specifically nailed it as to why people are so attracted to it it is because it does help to kind of peel back the unknown in the in the fear that we may have around certain things. And once you get to know that fear, it's kind of like tackling any fear that you may have be it heights or, you know, scary creepy things that a haunted house, it helps to maybe put a face to the fear so you're not quite as frightened is definitely one of the theories as to why people are so fascinated by true crime. I personally love the psyche. Like what happened. I keep thinking this was somebody who literally needed a professional organizer for life because they had too much damn clutter everywhere. And they just they were so frustrated that they possibly just were they were driven to to maybe act out those murderous urges that I don't know about you guys I definitely can have when I'm looking through my makeup drawer.

Unknown: 9:44

When I'm hearing you say is it true? Well, time trip to IKEA could save a life. Yeah, they would only if they would only have organized there. I'm pretty profitable, I also think is the mother of daughters. I mean, I don't know about if you have daughters, but I am constantly texting them. Oh my gosh. You know, don't do this. Don't do that. You know if you're ever locked in a trunk you need to do this. I mean constantly because I'm learning from these things always have your Find My iPhone so I can find you. You know, I mean, to me, it's like a learning lesson to give your children because they're so I love them. But they're so naive because they're so young, and they don't think anything bad could ever happen to them. So I'm always like, last night on Dateline, this girl she was walking alone, never walk alone. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah,

Christine: 10:35

that's actually one of the things as well as people want to know, like, what they should do learn a little bit more about it, I actually end up most of my podcast episodes with lessons that I take away from that particular story, we usually do a little tongue in cheek to lighten it up. But you also start

Unknown: 10:52

out with safety tips, you always say you do start out. So let's, for those who have not yet had an opportunity to listen to running scared, and of course, we'll have the link in show notes. And we encourage everybody to listen. And even if you're walking on a treadmill, or just cleaning the house, it's just really fun, fun stuff. I say it's fun stuff. I enjoy you. I enjoy a good Blackwidow story as much as the next gal. But um, what are some of the tips you give, though, as far as if you're heading out by yourself for a walk or run?

Christine: 11:23

Well, first and foremost, the number one thing that I think everyone should take into account very much what you just said, Chris, is that you should have a way for somebody to track you someone that you love that you hold dear, that knows you. And they should be able to know where you're heading, or when to expect you back. That's like the number one thing that I say. So please friends, if you're listening in, put that into your everyday practice. Now, even for you and I where we tend to go for a run with a GPS watch, we have all sorts of additional technologies for those purposes to assist. So if you aren't familiar with it, and you are an avid outdoor exerciser, please do look into maybe all the technology, those wearables that you have as a way to keep yourself a little safer. But you can always go old school where you just let somebody know where you're going to go and what time that you should be back.

Unknown: 12:08

And I also think, not just murderous crime podcasts or TV shows, but like the sherry Papini case where it was a mother who faked her own kidnapping. I also find that people find those stories fascinating because you're like, Who would do that? And so you can't get enough of that, like a story like that where someone fakes it, and thinks they can get away with it with the police or whoever. So I think there's so many different variations of true crime that people are fascinated. What's been your favorite? Oh, goodness.

Christine: 12:43

Eden without a doubt. I love me. Some lady killers. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. But just as you mentioned, Chris, I cannot resist I just go down the rabbit hole. And I'm like, But why and how and how did they get another guy to date them? I know some incredible women who can't seem to find dates. And clearly if you just like, go a little cookie and kill a few guys, that's all you need to call back.

Unknown: 13:09

I have found my person. I know. I don't know what's been keeping you apart. So I'm thinking of rabbit holes, though, that that's the funniest thing. It used to be where you'd watch like a Dateline. But now you'll watch the dateline then go on to the podcast and listen to the same thing you just watched. And it's you feel like you're going down a rabbit hole like how many different ways can I hear? You know, she killed he kill you know what I mean? But you do it, you do it. You love it, you go from one to another to another. So it's fascinating. Now I did love cereal, the ad Nan case, I did love that. And I'm still reeling over the fact that he's out. But you know what that thing that was the biggest takeaway. And I've shared this over and over again, because I feel like it's the most true thing ever, especially with a memory like mine. If you ask somebody what they did, three weeks ago, if they can take you through their entire day, they committed a murder on that day, because most people can't remember no yesterday, let alone three weeks ago, while at two o'clock I left this anomalous. They were burying a body in the middle of all right, you don't remember the day. And so I was like, when I was listening to that. I was like, This truly is a great lesson in psychology. And also, there are cameras everywhere. And people just seem to forget that. Like, they just forget that there's cameras coming out of the grocery store. There's cameras, and then they get them in there and they go we got cameras like oops, you know, I mean, it's like silly things. You know what I mean?

Christine: 14:39

It's fascinating that we're finding is that you're not gonna hear as much of those true crime cases where they're as unsolved as they were in the past, kind of like Adnan may have been one of those last final things where it is kind of hard to extricate a lot of details because nowadays, like you said, you can't really go out your front door without you can't go out, I think into another room without echo knowing where you're at or anything of that right so Technology has definitely helped in that barrier, or that obstacle that I think that police may have had or investigators may have had. I'm curious though, because clearly you do know your stuff. Who is your favorite obsession recently?

Unknown: 15:12

I would have to say it's the Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix show. And I also have already watched conversations with Jeffrey Dahmer, where he tells us and you know, everyone's really upset about it. They're like, You shouldn't be glamorizing. I don't feel it was glamorizing what I took away from the whole entire thing is that he could have been stopped so much sooner. But nobody took the people seriously, that were telling the police of course, it was a different generation a different time. But that's the whole thing I took away and also when you have kids, you know, they don't remember the Ted Bundy. They don't because they weren't young men. And I think these are things that should never be forgotten in my mind. I mean, I really don't I think you learn lessons from each of these tragedies for yourself or your children. And also just its history. In my opinion, I felt that way about the Ted Bundy Aiden's it. Did

Christine: 16:14

you check it out? Oh, I

Unknown: 16:15

haven't. No, I haven't haven't seen the Dahmer yet. But what I was gonna say was when Zac Efron played, Ted Bundy, people were very upset that they would have somebody so gorgeous and charismatic. But that's what I did like about it, because I thought, and I only saw parts of it, to be honest. But what I did like about it was that like, My daughter, for example, could see that there could be someone, like, it's very hard to say no to somebody who looks like that and acts like that, and is so charismatic. And not every mass murderer is going to be disgusting. You know, just to show you that it can you can be taken in by somebody. Right, so easily. Right. And I yeah, I have also had

Christine: 16:55

yet to find someone who's actually overtly scary, like they took for the most part look like regular humans. So I mean, I say that we're regular humans that don't have rages. So yeah, there is, there's no doubt about

Unknown: 17:08

well, also, I mean, you teach your kids to be polite, right? You're like, be polite, if a stranger needs. But in these instances, you learn when someone comes up to you, and they have a broken arm, and they want help get it. Do not do that. I mean, you don't have to be polite. I've taught my own kids this, use that inner self in here, listen to what your insides tell you. If you feel like I really shouldn't be doing this, don't do it just to be polite.

Christine: 17:38

I think you just nailed something. That's why I feel women gravitate towards this genre more so than ever, we have very good instincts for the most part. And yet we tend to because it was something you were raised with being proper, and sweet and kind and very, very polite, that we tend to kind of put that aside because we don't want to be perceived as a mean person or a mean girl or someone who would shun anyone. And unfortunately, that's not always the most appropriate way of staying alive. In today's days.

Unknown: 18:08

That is true. That is true. What has been the response to you, Christine? Coach, Christina, I'll call you what has been the response that you've gotten from people not that are not true crime aficionados, not the enthusiast. And I'm gonna guess that there has to be a couple of dudes out there to like you. I'm sorry. What now? Yeah,

Christine: 18:28

you know, I don't have I can't think of any guys that have reached out to me. So.

Unknown: 18:33

Oh, just to say yeah, I love it. Yeah,

Christine: 18:35

no, not one. So clearly, I'm not going to have a really big testosterone heavy fanclub and that's okay, because I have found my people, so it's anybody who wants to talk about this. I tend to find folks that aren't necessarily big True Crime fans, as you've likely noticed it and I, I don't get into the graphic details. I keep it a little lighter. I'm very cognizant and most people that are doing this, if they're running outside, it can be a little scary enough on its own. So I try to keep it a little lighter. Which is probably another reason why I've gravitated so much to the mysticism murder and mayhem that I love right now that's going on, because it's not quite as creepy for me.

Unknown: 19:13

I do enjoy the delight sometimes that you'll Express and it'll be over something so you know just what would drive this person or you will speak your color like Miss thang will Little Miss Little Miss so and so just couldn't let that go by without taking it into our own hands. And what it reminds

Christine: 19:30

me of the one case where it's like she starts to decorate her home. She's nesting which is really horrible, right? We all want to we get married in a new relationship. You start nesting, but she's nesting and she's decorating her home with like, animal fur trappings and like skulls of dead animals or her blades. She was very proud of her butcher knives. She displayed them probably over the bed. I mean, so were we not surprised cuz like she was, she was literally advertising what was to come? I'm just thinking, Where did she not think about the red flags there?

Unknown: 20:07

Well, I also think because I was listening to yours on the Lizzie Borden. This goes back, you know, for ever, where people still talk about Lizzie Borden. And it doesn't matter how long ago it was. It kind of gets new life every now and then. I don't know if it's DNA, something happens where they think they've cracked some code. But I think this has been going on forever. It's just now we have Netflix. Right. And we have podcasts. So I think this has been going on for a really long time, the fascination with why people do the things they do.

Christine: 20:46

You nailed it, because on the Lizzie Borden case, what kind of came to mind for me specifically was after that murder happened, the throngs of people that actually surrounded the Lizzie Borden home was so much so that people couldn't get in or out, the police had to kind of help to try to like navigate and push back the crowds. And that's not something that you think about when you think of like a historical murder, you kind of see a stodgy or boring or very black light and sepia tone. But it was just as captivating to people back then as it is to us today. We'll look at the fact that there's that that's silly song, Lizzie Borden, took an axe gave her mother 40 whacks when she saw what she had done, she gave her father 41. And you know that, that speaks to the fact that people were finding the humor, even though there could not be anything less funny than this girl doing what she did. But people I guess, maybe it's a coping mechanism. But that's, that's basically what happened. People were delighted and wanted to sing about it, or just use it as a it was a nursery rhyme like it

Unknown: 21:52

was some kind of thing, which is very disturbing. So disturbing

Christine: 21:57

it I think we do have a 10 to a tendency to kind of deal with the McCobb by adding a little bit of levity to it or at least that's definitely how I deal with it. So I think that's an interesting I personally changed up that little nursery rhyme if you listen to my Lizzie Borden case, I finished it with what I feel should be a nursery rhyme that we move forward with. From this day and age now that we know more details about the fact that she really actually was acquainted she was with me know if she did or did not do it. So

Unknown: 22:26

yep. And I have to ask you being the tried and true crime person, were you did you felt validated when Saturday Night Live did their parody of true crime? For all of us true crime errs out there? I felt like they know me so well. Are you familiar with that?

Christine: 22:45

I haven't actually seen it but I was gonna say it's uncanny. Oh, many people you know me, I feel like it. Do you understand that I hear I see all of like the merchandise where it's like, Don't interrupt me. I'm listening to my true crime podcast, which is pretty much true. Like I don't want to be interrupted when I have my headphones in because I am really into the case or the fact that I fall asleep. I think there's one that kind of cracks me up and it says something to the effect of a glass of wine in bed by nine after watching my murder shows or something like that. It's like that's pretty much mean. Did you just come to my house and see what I do every night? Right?

Unknown: 23:17

It's so funny to me. It's so funny. Do you can do you remember your Lizzie Borden? Now nursery rhyme by the way, I'd love to hear oh my

Christine: 23:24

goodness. Oh, it had to do with her legal team. She had what? What did the fellow podcaster a podcast that I would aspire to be like said to the fact that she had the dream team before we know of the Dream Team like the original? Yeah, certainly was absolutely stellar. They were able to get evidence dismissed from the case in a way that really could be said that helped her be acquitted within an hour and a half. So I don't know an uncluttered and unfiltered how unfiltered we're allowed to get we're unfiltered. something to the effect of if your legal team is the shit then your jury will acquit acquit happened to her I kind of as I'm listening to this, it reminded me of again another true crime case. I guess you could say to this day OJ Simpson. Do you guys not still remember where you were? When the camera was dry? I remember exactly where I was watching. Every single time you clicked for that case,

Unknown: 24:22

every minute I would had a newborn baby. So I had all the time in the world. And I would rock and listen to the Dream Team and OJ and Marcia Clark do their thing. And yes, I remember every bit of it. There are just some things you just about true crime or crime in general. You just don't forget. It's amazing and also amazing to me, is when you get the behind the scenes on the strategies like that the attorneys will use or the interrogators. I love a good see now this is where we're different. So you love the whole True Crime phenomenon. I love a good interrogation. I can go down the rabbit hole on it. Like the methods where they'll say to the husband, so if we catch this guy What should we do to him and then they use that against him when they finally prove him guilty well you yourself said that we should string you up you know? So I love the interrogation part of it but look at this so we set out to talk with you chat with you 1015 minutes and now we're about 23 minutes in and it could I could do this all day listen to the two of you go back and forth. Perfect murder weapon Christine.

Christine: 25:27

Christine My goodness. Well now I'm hearing about this new phenomenon of anti freezing Gatorade so I'm assuming that would be a great question.

Unknown: 25:36

Yeah, I remember I read the book The Lovely Bones and they said it was an icicle because it would melt and the new thing is I dropped I dropped they are useful if you put them in coffee or food or lethal and I had heard of

Christine: 25:50

that time ago I know that usually makes you very ill your body will reject it but I didn't know that it would actually potentially put you under

Unknown: 25:58

I just never thought eye drops could do that. Make a damn I feel like maybe a disclaimer Listen, I don't do these things or don't do anything don't murder don't do it obviously don't do it but but delight in it when you're exercising and making yourself stronger and healthier with running scared tell. Well, we'll have in our show notes. A couple of things. We'll have the running scared podcast in our show notes of course. And we will have that Saturday Night Live skit Yeah, in our show notes the link to that so you can watch that. What else can we tell everybody about you? Christine? What can we tell our this

Christine: 26:35

oh my goodness well first of all again, thank you so much. I think you can basically take away that I am definitely down for a true crime conversation that anytime so friends wanted to come join over in the Facebook community page with running started coach Christine, you can you could talk to all of your fellow True Crime enthusiast because well it just never ends the conversation always is never it's possible to open up another door or another theory. However, I also want to tell my folks all about uncluttered unfiltered so I'm gonna have that in my show notes as well if I keep going through my mind how that both of you deal with I would assume frustrations of life very differently Christine you have everything nicely organized Eden you and I have a lot in common and that we consider ourselves more like that hot mess Express but you go out for a run you stay physically active. So it comes to mind is that when we're listening to both of you on your show, is that you guys have heard great coping mechanism mechanisms so that you don't become a true crime podcast subject anytime soon.

Unknown: 27:34

And possible. Yeah. Probably be if anyone was to try the other one crazy it would be have to be me driving Christine crazy because she is like, like, you can probably tell very polished, very organized just an eye. If you go in my car right now you might find who knows what I mean, name something. It's like, let's make a deal in there. And for Eaton, if she ever goes missing, who do you think's going to be finding her? Who's going to know every single thing? Every clue? It'll be her friend, Christina. Yeah, yeah, that's it. So

Christine: 28:08

my friends, it sounds like we've got the dream team over here, right here with us. Right? Yes.

Unknown: 28:14

But but just a quick, a quick update. What we like to say, though, is that, you know, I'm 56. Christine is 60, nearly 60. And so we like to say that our podcast, which does deal with organizational tips, as well as just anything that life throws our way we talk about it. We like to say that any age is welcome. But if you're over 50, you have found your people. So if you are over 50, and you're a true crime junkie. Now you have more people. Yes. So let's all be each other's people out there.

Christine: 28:43

Although I'm not over 50 yet. I'm right around the corner and let me know you're not absolutely love the podcast, I think you're gonna have to lower the age entry into this because I'm pretty sure that like, Oh, where do you end up and maybe even 30? And up could totally get some really great.

Unknown: 28:59

Oh, wait, thank you. We've been hearing that we have been hearing a lot. But then then sometimes we'll launch into like, our Woe is me. Our knees are wrinkled and our outstand, our Boomer situation. And then people are like, Oh, real quick, real quick, because I gotta get this story out whether you use it on yours, or we don't I don't know. But so we made this. This is just to show you, we did a whole episode on how technology can elude us and how we're just boomers that way. And we can't keep track. And at the beginning of starting this podcast, I had gone on and said, Listen, if you want to leave us a voice note that we can play on our show, just go to Instagram or Facebook, there's a little microphone in the messages and just leave us a message. So and Chris says, I don't know, you know, we're saying 50 And maybe people won't be able to figure that out. That sounds like it could get confusing. Maybe we don't do that. So we did it on the first episode and then never again. The other day she texted me and said have you checked her Instagram messages lately? And like I don't know how to do that. She goes, there's like 10 voice he will we're doing it but we just Here I am saying do it. She's saying don't do it and neither of us know how to check it. So anyway, yeah, that's the we struggle. That's why we struggle with saying anything below 50

Christine: 30:10

Again, I'm still trying to figure it out. So I write I have found some Gen z's in my life to help me see the way because I say exactly that's

Unknown: 30:20

what I said you find a Gen Z, a millennial your your golden

Christine: 30:25

one is annual. So I don't know if you really want my target demographic. Let's let's get a couple of Gen Z's here on the crowd to help us out.

Unknown: 30:33

Is that what it's called when you're 42? Is no deal.

Christine: 30:35

I'm calling it is Daniel. It's my crib room where the Generation X and millennials have definitely traits of both so I could talk generation almost as long as I could talk about True Crime my friend so I don't know if we want to go down that rabbit hole.

Unknown: 30:50

Well, I think we've, we've overused our studio time for sure. So we're gonna let you go and we're gonna go and our friend coach Christine Hetzel, running scared podcast, he won't let us give you our goodbye. We would love for you to be able to let it go. And don't look back

Christine: 31:06

and don't murder people. Friend, I hope that you enjoy that conversation as much as I did. So again, I'm going to ask you check out episode notes. We are going to link the uncluttered and unfiltered podcast, go check them out. Go join their Facebook community page. Of course, show them some love by subscribing, rating, interviewing, and friend. If you haven't yet, please join the running scared Facebook community as well. We are always talking about the things that bring you the extra little bit of joy, true crime, Murder, Mayhem, and of course, lots and lots of miles. Thanks again for joining and for running scared with Coach Christine, organizer, Christine and even